- 4l80e Torque Converter Bolt Spec
- 4l80e Torque Converter Noise
- 4l80e 2500 Stall Converter
- 4l80e Torque Converter Problems
- 4l80e Torque Converter 3000 Stall
- 4l80e Torque Converter 3200
- B&M 70431 Torque Converter, Traveler Converter GM 4L80E $599.95 4L80E, 1900-2100 Stall Speed (RPM), Furnace-Brazed Ships Free Stall Speed (RPM): 1900-2100 Bolt Circle Diameter: 11.5.
- Great torque converter for a DD performance vehicle. This converter will have great street manners and only flash high when you want it. A nice durable option for everyday use. Perfect for 4l80 swaps!
Swapping from the 4L60E to the 4L80E is not difficult to do in vehicles that were equipped with both transmissions. Here are the main parts that you are going to need in order to make your own 4L60E to 4L80E swap kit. It’s not the easiest swap to do, and a 4L60E can handle a lot of power on its own. Here’s a good article on the 4L60E vs 4L80E.
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You’re going to need to run a new wiring harness to communicate with your ECM/PCM. It’s relatively easy to do. Unfortunately, the adapter is not cheap. They’re always over a hundred bucks. Replacing the entire wiring harness is not easy, convenient, or cost-effective. It is far and away easier to swap in the adapter.
The next thing that you’ll need to take care of when making a 4L60E to 4L80E swap kit is the ECM. It’ll need to be ref-flashed to properly control the 4L80E. There are plenty of ways to get the ECM flashed. You can try eBay. I’ve done that before with great success. You just “buy it now” on one of the many re-flash auctions. If you live in a decent sized metro area, you can probably find someone to do it locally on Craigslist. The advantage of finding a local guy is that if there ends up being any sort of problem they can correct it right there on the spot.
If you are going to be doing any sort of heavy modification to the engine, you may wish to send it to a tuner to have the transmission tables changed in the ECM. If you’ve done a cam, intake swap, heads, turbo, etc your motor is not going to run properly unless the ECM is calibrated to work with not just the 4L80E, but also with the modifications that you have performed to the engine.
There are two considerations when finding someone to re-flash your computer when you are modifying your engine and swapping out your transmission to the 4L80E.
- Have they ever flashed the ECM for your exact setup before? If they have, they may have done it on the dyno. That’s ideal, because on the dyno you can determine the exact air fuel mixture, timing, etc… This will get you the most power out of your new parts.
- Do they ever come to town for Dyno events? If they do than you can get the mail order tune and wait for them to come to town. When they come in they’ll be able to get more power out of your car by tweaking it and making final adjustments right on the dyno.
Try Speartech, they do great work.
The 4L80E also has two Vehicle Speed Sensors, while the 4L60E only uses one. You’ll need to hook the vehicle speed sensor on your harness up to the FRONT VSS, not the back one. If you hook to the wrong one, you may end up with an idle problem.
Depending on whether or not your vehicle ever came with a 4L80E is going to have a big impact on how expensive a crossmember is going to be for your 4L60E to 4L80E swap. If the vehicle came with the 4L80E you can head over to the nearest parts store, GM dealership, or salvage yard and just pick one up.
If, on the other hand, the vehicle that you are wanting to swap the 4L80E into has never come with a crossmember, that’s an entirely different story. You’ll find plenty of people out there who will make a crossmember for your particular application. You can find it over at Jegs or Amazon.
One thing to keep in mind when swapping a 4L80E into a vehicle that it has never been in before is transmission tunnel clearance. Most folks will end up beating the tar out of their classic car trying to wedge this transmission in there. The 4L80E is noticeably bigger and longer than the 4L60E.
If you are swapping into a vehicle that had a 4L80E as a stock option, go ahead and order the dipstick for that vehicle. If not, try a Lokar flexible dipstick if you’re having problems getting the one that came with the transmission to work. It’s pricey, but it’ll work.
Flex Plate/Torque Converter
You can not reuse your flex plate but you will need to get a special torque converter to engage it properly. Alternatively, you can get the flexplate for a 4L80E and use the 4L80E stock torque converter.
The 4L80E is longer than the 4L60E, so you’ll have to get the driveshaft shortened in order to get it to play nice with your vehicle. Again, if the 4L80E was an option on the vehicle that you were thinking about swapping it into, than it would probably be more cost-effective to go to the salvage yard and grab the driveshaft there.
- 1998 PCM will not control a 4L80E.
General Motors is an innovator of automatic transmissions, introducing the Hydra-Matic in 1940. This list includes some GM transmissions.
The GM Hydra-Matic was a success and installed in the majority of GM models by 1950. Through the 1950s, all makers were working on their own automatic transmission, with four more developed inside GM alone. All of GM's early automatic transmissions were replaced by variants of the Turbo-Hydramatic by the 1970s.
- 1940–1967 Hydra-Matic — Oldsmobile (now the trade name for all GM automatic transmissions)
- 1948–1963 Dynaflow — Buick
- 1950–1973 Powerglide — Chevrolet (also used by Pontiac, Holden, Vauxhall and Opel)
- 1968-1971 Torquedrive- Chevrolet ( Camaro and Chevy II, Nova. Manually shifted on Column. )
- 1957–1961 Turboglide — Chevrolet (V8 models only, except Corvette)
- 1958–1959 Flightpitch — Buick
- 1961–1963 Dual Path Turbine Drive — Buick
- 1961–1964 Roto Hydramatic — Oldsmobile/Pontiac (also used by Holden)
- 1964–1969 Super Turbine 300 — Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac (Oldsmobile Jetaway)
- 1968–1969 Torquedrive — Chevrolet (manually column shifted 2 speed automatic, 6 cyl only)
- 1956-1964 4 speed Controlled coupling HydraMatic, also known as Cadillac 315 or P 315 HydraMatic, Oldsmobile Jetaway, Pontiac Super HydraMatic.
- TempestTorque, ( Pontiac) a two speed based on Powerglide, but having the added feature of ' Split Torque ' dividing the engine power between mechanical connection and the torque converter in high gear.
The Turbo-Hydramatic was used by all GM divisions, and formed the basis for the company's modern Hydramatic line. The basic rear-wheel drive Turbo-Hydramatic spawned two front-wheel drive variants, the transverseTurbo-Hydramatic 125, and the longitudinalTurbo-Hydramatic 425. A third variant was the light-duty rear wheel drive Turbo-Hydramatic 180 used in many European models.
- Heavy-duty rear wheel drive
- 1971–1994 3L80HD (heavy duty version of TH400)
- Medium-duty rear wheel drive
- 1964–1992 Super Turbine 400/TH400/3L80
- 1969–1986 TH350/TH350C/TH375B/TH250/TH250C
- 1972–1976 TH375 — Light duty version of TH400
- 1976–1987 TH200/TH200C
- 1981–1990 TH200-4R
- 1982–1993 TH700R4/4L60
- Light-duty rear wheel drive
- 1969–1998 TH180/TH180C/3L30 — 3-speed European/Asian model. Also manufactured and used by Holden as the Trimatic transmission.
- Transverse front wheel drive
- 1980–1999 TH125/TH125C/3T40 — 3-speed light-duty
- 1984–1994 TH440-T4/4T60 — 4-speed medium-duty
- Longitudinal front wheel drive
- 1966–1978 TH425 — 3-speed
- 1979–1981 TH325 — 3-speed
- 1982–1985 TH325-4L — 4-speed
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The next-generation transmissions, introduced in the early 1990s, were the electronic Hydra-Matics based on the Turbo-Hydramatic design. Most early electronic transmissions use the '-E' designator to differentiate them from their non-electronic cousins, but this has been dropped on transmissions with no mechanical version like the new GM 6L80 transmission.
Today, GM uses a simple naming scheme for their transmissions, with the 'Hydra-Matic' name used on most automatics across all divisions.
|Number of forward gears||L=Longitudinal|
|GVWR rating||'E' for Electronic|
'HD' for Heavy Duty
- First-generation longitudinal (Rear Wheel drive)
- 1991–2001 4L30-E — 4-speed light-duty (used in BMW, Cadillac, Isuzu, and Opel cars)
- 1992– 4L60-E/4L65-E — 4-speed medium-duty (used in GM trucks and rear-wheel-drive cars)
- 1991– 4L80-E/4L85-E — 4-speed heavy-duty (used in GM trucks)
- First-generation transverse (Front Wheel drive)
- 1995–2010 4T40-E/4T45-E — 4-speed light-duty (used in smaller front wheel drive GM vehicles)
- 1991–2010 4T60-E/4T65-E/4T65E-HD — 4-speed medium-duty (used in larger front wheel drive GM vehicles)
- 1993–2010 4T80-E — 4-speed heavy-duty (used in large front wheel drive GM vehicles, only with Cadillac NorthStar V8.
- Second-generation longitudinal (Rear Wheel drive)
- 2000–2007 5L40-E/5L50 — 5-speed medium-duty (used in Cadillac's Sigma vehicles)
- 2007–present 6L45/6L50 — 6-speed medium-duty (used in GM Sigma platform cars)
- 2006–present: 6L80/6L90 — 6-speed heavy-duty (used in GM trucks and performance cars)
- 2014–present: 8L90 — 8-speed heavy-duty (used in GM trucks and performance cars)
- 2016–present: 8L45 — 8-speed light-duty (used in GM luxury cars)
- 2017–present: 10L80 - Ford-GM 10-speed automatic transmission (used in GM light trucks including pickups and related SUVs)
- 2017–present: 10L90 - Ford-GM 10-speed automatic transmission (used in GM performance cars)
*This transmission is part of a joint-venture between General Motors and Ford Motor Company to split development of two transmissions, a longitudinal 10-speed and transverse 9-speed. Ford led the design of the 10-speed transmission, as well as filing the design patents for said transmission. According to an official report by the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) the design of the 10-speed gearbox is essentially all Ford, while GM was responsible for designing the 9-speed 9T transverse automatic gearbox. As part of their joint-venture, Ford will let GM use the 10-speed transmission with rights to modify and manufacture it for their own applications. In-exchange for Ford's 10-speed transmission, General Motors will let Ford use its 9-speed transmission for front-wheel drive applications; Ford ultimately declined use of the 9T.
- Second-generation transverse (Front Wheel drive)
- 2008–present: 6T30/6T40/6T45 — 6-speed light-duty
- 2006–present: 6T70/6T75 — 6-speed medium-duty
- 2016–present: 9T50/9T65 Hydra-Matic – 9-speed
Hybrid and PHEV
- 2ML70 - 2-Mode Hybrid transmission.
- 4ET50 (MKA) - Electric Drive Unit Transaxle (First Generation Chevrolet Volt / Cadillac ELR)
- 5ET50 (MKV) - Electronically controlled, continuously-variable automatic transaxle (Second Generation Chevrolet Volt)
- 5ET50 (MKE) - Electronically controlled, continuously-variable automatic transaxle Transaxle (Full Hybrid, Ninth Generation Chevrolet Malibu)
- 4EL70 (MRD) - Electric Drive Unit Transmission (PHEV Cadillac CT6)
- Aisin AF33 — 5-speed transverse automatic made by Aisin AW Co., Ltd.
- Allison 1000 Series — 6-speed longitudinal automatic made by Allison Transmission
- Saturn MP6/MP7 — 4-speed automatic developed by Saturn for use in the S-series from 1991 to 2002
- VTi transmission — continuously variable transmission
- Tremec M1L transmission — 8-speed Dual-Clutch made by Tremec for the Chevrolet Corvette C8
- GM CVT250 — continuously variable transmission
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- Aisin AR5/MA5 — 5-speed longitudinal manual made by Aisin
- Aisin AY6 — 6-speed longitudinal manual made by Aisin
- Getrag 260 — 5-speed longitudinal manual made by Getrag
- Muncie M20 — 4-speed longitudinal wide ratio manual transmission made by GM at their Muncie, Indiana factory
- Muncie M21 — 4-speed longitudinal close ratio manual transmission made by GM at their Muncie, Indiana factory
- Muncie M22 — 4-speed longitudinal heavy duty close ratio manual transmission made by GM at their Muncie, Indiana factory
- Saginaw M26/27 transmission — 3 and 4-speed longitudinal light duty (less than 300 hp wide ratio manual transmission made by GM at their Saginaw, Michigan factory
- Muncie M62/M64 — 3-speed longitudinal transmission made by GM
- Muncie SM420 — 4-speed manual used up to 1967, very similar to sm 465 except small changes to gear ratios and location of reverse.
- New Process Gear NP435 - 4-speed longitudinal transmission used in a select handful of 67-72 GM pickups
- New Process Gear A833 RPO MY6 or MM7 — 4-speed longitudinal A833 overdrive transmission made by New Process Gear for early to mid 1980s General Motors Light Trucks
- Muncie SM465 — 4-speed longitudinal manual used in 68- 91 Chevy 1/2 3/4 and 1 ton trucks
- New Venture Gear NV1500 — 5-speed longitudinal manual made by New Venture Gear
- New Venture Gear 3500/4500 — 5-speed longitudinal manual made by New Venture Gear
- Borg-Warner T-10 transmission — 4-speed longitudinal manual currently made by Richmond Gear; originally made by Borg-Warner
- Tremec T-5 — 5-speed longitudinal manual currently made by Tremec; originally made by Borg-Warner
- Borg-Warner T-50 transmission — 5-speed longitudinal manual - used by GM in its H Body cars and a few other limited light duty applications from 1976 to 1978;
- Tremec T-56 — 6-speed longitudinal manual overdrive made by Tremec; formerly made by Borg-Warner
- Tremec TR-6060 — 6-speed longitudinal manual overdrive made by Tremec
- ZF S6-650 — 6-speed longitudinal manual made by ZF Friedrichshafen
- Tremec TR-6070 — 7-speed longitudinal manual overdrive made by Tremec
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- F23 — 5-speed transverse manual manufactured by Getrag
- F35 — 5-speed transverse manual manufactured by Saab in Gothenburg, Sweden
- F40 — 6-speed transverse manual manufactured by FGP Germany
- Getrag 282 — 5-speed transverse manual designed by Getrag and manufactured by Muncie Getrag
- Getrag 284 — 5-speed transverse manual designed by Getrag and manufactured by Muncie Getrag
- MP2/MP3 — 5-speed manual developed by Saturn for use in the S-Series from 1991 to 2002
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